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		<title>By: Margaret</title>
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		<dc:creator>Margaret</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 04:21:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Have you read Thomas Berry -- Passionist priest, cultural historian, &#039;geologian?&#039;  Good stuff there.  Also, many eco-feminist theologians - Sallie McFague, Rosemary Radford Reuther, Ivone Gebara.

These are all from the Christian vantage point.  Vandana Shiva is another, from quite another vantage point in India. 

Latin American liberation theologians have done brilliant theology on the meaning of &#039;love of neighbor&#039; in a world of such injustice, violence, and oppression.  Some among them are beginning to write an eco-theology from Latin America, an important evolution.

For many writers of eco-theology or eco-spirituality, love of neighbor has come to include our fellow creatures, living forms and systems in which we are embedded.  The concept continues to evolve.

Thanks for your message. The DotEarth responders definitely include many folks who just seem to have need to vent a lot of fear and resentment that this world is such that we might actually need to change how we live.  Anything but that, please!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have you read Thomas Berry &#8212; Passionist priest, cultural historian, &#8216;geologian?&#8217;  Good stuff there.  Also, many eco-feminist theologians &#8211; Sallie McFague, Rosemary Radford Reuther, Ivone Gebara.</p>
<p>These are all from the Christian vantage point.  Vandana Shiva is another, from quite another vantage point in India. </p>
<p>Latin American liberation theologians have done brilliant theology on the meaning of &#8216;love of neighbor&#8217; in a world of such injustice, violence, and oppression.  Some among them are beginning to write an eco-theology from Latin America, an important evolution.</p>
<p>For many writers of eco-theology or eco-spirituality, love of neighbor has come to include our fellow creatures, living forms and systems in which we are embedded.  The concept continues to evolve.</p>
<p>Thanks for your message. The DotEarth responders definitely include many folks who just seem to have need to vent a lot of fear and resentment that this world is such that we might actually need to change how we live.  Anything but that, please!</p>
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		<title>By: David Collins</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Collins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 00:13:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m with Sheila Murphy: the modern Peruvians remind me of much of Jared Diamond&#039;s &quot;Collapse&quot;: Easter Island is a decent+ analogy.

Separately:
Margaret, I appreciated your comment #12 on the Dot·Earth essay &quot;Fresh Demands From &#039;Front-Line States&#039; in Climate Fight&quot;, as ammended by your comment #33 (about the hostility and lack of reverence for nature-creation-environment-etc). I am about ready to give up on Dot·Earth, for that reason and others.

Question. You appear to have a sound Christian background in your education. You might be able to advise me. I am thinking of the Summation of the Law. In Judeo-Christian scripture, where it first appears, the God is strictly a tribal deity, and the &quot;neighbors&quot; are the folks next door. In later Judaic values, Hillel and much later, Maimonides get the neighbor to include pretty much everybody, as Jesus did in the Good Samaritan story. In other words, a maturing concept. And as the concept of the Summation of the Law continues to mature, to better serve us today, how does the rest of Creation fit in?

&quot;Mankind is a part of, not apart from, Creation.&quot; That&#039;s the way I&#039;m thinking about it, every once in a while, these days.

I was wondering if you could advise me, or recommend some ponderer for me to read. (Not that it would do Dot·Earth any good.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m with Sheila Murphy: the modern Peruvians remind me of much of Jared Diamond&#8217;s &#8220;Collapse&#8221;: Easter Island is a decent+ analogy.</p>
<p>Separately:<br />
Margaret, I appreciated your comment #12 on the Dot·Earth essay &#8220;Fresh Demands From &#8216;Front-Line States&#8217; in Climate Fight&#8221;, as ammended by your comment #33 (about the hostility and lack of reverence for nature-creation-environment-etc). I am about ready to give up on Dot·Earth, for that reason and others.</p>
<p>Question. You appear to have a sound Christian background in your education. You might be able to advise me. I am thinking of the Summation of the Law. In Judeo-Christian scripture, where it first appears, the God is strictly a tribal deity, and the &#8220;neighbors&#8221; are the folks next door. In later Judaic values, Hillel and much later, Maimonides get the neighbor to include pretty much everybody, as Jesus did in the Good Samaritan story. In other words, a maturing concept. And as the concept of the Summation of the Law continues to mature, to better serve us today, how does the rest of Creation fit in?</p>
<p>&#8220;Mankind is a part of, not apart from, Creation.&#8221; That&#8217;s the way I&#8217;m thinking about it, every once in a while, these days.</p>
<p>I was wondering if you could advise me, or recommend some ponderer for me to read. (Not that it would do Dot·Earth any good.)</p>
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		<title>By: Sheila Murphy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sheila Murphy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 22:21:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The decision-makers in Peru remind me of Jared Diamond&#039;s book Collapse.  Ignoring the facts, making decisions on short term goals mainly (or only), and keeping one&#039;s fingers crossed in the face of irrational programs is not wise policy.  Consider Easter Island.  And send the government of Peru Mr. Diamond&#039;s book.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The decision-makers in Peru remind me of Jared Diamond&#8217;s book Collapse.  Ignoring the facts, making decisions on short term goals mainly (or only), and keeping one&#8217;s fingers crossed in the face of irrational programs is not wise policy.  Consider Easter Island.  And send the government of Peru Mr. Diamond&#8217;s book.</p>
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